Minutes of the Thirty-Fifth IRMF Meeting
Wednesday 28th May 2008
National Physical Laboratory
Present:
| Chairman: | Pete Burgess | National Physical Laboratory | |||
| Secretary: | Lawrence Jones | National Physical Laboratory | |||
| Duncan Aston | High Technology Sources | ||||
| Nasser Baghini | Imperial College Reactor Centre | ||||
| Bhaswar Baral | Centronic Ltd | ||||
| John Bennett | DSTL | ||||
| Ray Chegwin | NPL | ||||
| Ludovic Chevallereau | Serco Assurance | ||||
| Alan Clare | Sellafield Ltd | ||||
| Rob Corby | Magnox Electric | ||||
| Robin Crosse | Thermo Fisher Scientific | ||||
| Bill Croydon | Radiation Watch Ltd | ||||
| Tim Daniels |
Health Protection Agency, Radiation Protection Division |
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| Paul Deacon-Smith | Medical Physics Directorate, St Thomas’s Hospital | ||||
| Julian Dean | NPL | ||||
| Denise Delahunty | Regional Rad. Physics & Protection Service | ||||
| Geoff Druce | AWE | ||||
| David Fletcher | AWE | ||||
| James Forde-Johnston | Canberra UK Ltd | ||||
| Penny Giorgio | RPA - Surrey University | ||||
| Rikki Glover | LabImpex | ||||
| James Grand | Berthold Technologies (UK) Ltd | ||||
| Chris Hill | Thermo Fisher Scientific | ||||
| Michael Hodgson | Thermo Fisher Scientific | ||||
| Ed Holden | Berthold Technologies (UK) Ltd | ||||
| Steve Hutchins | AWE | ||||
| Michael Iwatschenko | Thermo Electron Corporation | ||||
| Richard Jenkins | BAE Systems Ltd | ||||
| Sami Kafala | Imperial College | ||||
| Clare Lee | NPL | ||||
| John Locke | Serco Assurance | ||||
| Will MacIvor | Johnson Controls | ||||
| Andrew Main | Johnson Controls | ||||
| Shaun Marriott | BAE Systems Ltd | ||||
| Ray McConnell | BIL Solutions | ||||
| Kyle Millar | Defence Equipment & Support | ||||
| Roy Mooney | MPA | ||||
| Ross Morgan | Thermo Fisher Scientific | ||||
| Robert Newiss | Nukem | ||||
| Steve Newton | VT Nuclear Services | ||||
| James Parkin | Lab Impex Systems Ltd | ||||
| Nigel Pearce | UKAS | ||||
| Mike Renouf | British Nuclear Group Sellafield Ltd | ||||
| Tony Richards | Retired | ||||
| Geraint Roberts | Health Protection Agency, Radiation Protection Division | ||||
| Jon Silvie | BAE Systems Ltd | ||||
| Keith Simmons | Defence Equipment & Support | ||||
| John Simpson | Retired | ||||
| Jeffrey Slade | AWE | ||||
| Karen Southall | HPA | ||||
| Simon Threadingham | DSTL | ||||
| Nick Troughton | JFIMS | ||||
| Jonathon Wardle | AWE | ||||
| David Williams | Magnox Hinckley A | ||||
| Michael Woods | IRMC |
On behalf of NPL, Pete Burgess welcomed delegates to the 35th meeting of the IRMF.
35.1 Neutron Monitoring Comparison
Graeme Taylor reported on the ongoing neutron monitoring comparison. The monitors had been returned from BAE Systems and measurements were to be made at NPL before they were to be shipped onwards for further measurements. So far two companies had participated. AWE, HPA and NUKEM had yet to participate.
35.2 Surface Contamination Monitoring Comparison
Pete Burgess gave a brief follow up to the surface contamination monitoring comparison. The emission rates and spectra of the sources used were being investigated. Pete stated that work may continue with his new employers, Nuvia.
35.3 Calibration of Surface Contamination Monitors Comparison
Mike Woods presented the final report of the calibration of surface contamination monitors comparison. The comparison had involved UKAS accredited laboratories making measurements with a BP19 and an AP5. Comparisons had also been made of snapshot readings versus eye averaging. One conclusion of the exercise had been that manufacturers' type test data were not reliable: Chris Hill (Thermo Fisher) and Mike Renouf (Sellafield) disagreed with this.
View Mike Woods' presentation here
35.4 Diagnostic X-ray Comparison
Denise Delahunty presented results from the medical diagnostic X-ray comparison exercise, which had included 17 participants from hospitals and standards laboratories. The results had identified a difference between those traceable to NPL and to PTB: potential reasons for this were to be investigated. Also, the results obtained using solid state detectors from a particular manufacturer had been consistently discrepant, Denise was going to write to the manufacturer concerned to inform them of the results.
View Denise Delahunty’s presentation here
35.5 Test adapters based on natural Lutetium
Michael Iwatshencko (Thermo Fischer GmbH) gave an interesting presentation on the use of Lutetium test adapters as a possibility to replace traditional check sources. He listed the disadvantages of conventional check sources before describing new ceramic adapters containing naturally occurring 176Lu. The benefits of 176Lu included the ability to manufacture scratch resistant adapters of uniform and consistent emission rate.
In response to John Simpson’s question about how much the adapters cost compared to traditional check sources, Michael said that they were cheaper than traditional check sources, there would be no disposal costs and no replacement costs as there was no depreciation in source activity.
Mike Woods asked about any chemical toxicity and Michael Iwatshencko said there was none. When asked if Thermo Fisher Scientific would put a working life on the sources, Michael told Keith Simmons that they would not. Denise Delahunty asked if Thermo Fisher Scientific could make large area sources, but at that time the maximum for individual sources was 2" diameter.
View Michael Iwatschencko’s presentation here
35.6 Review of GPG14
Pete Burgess (NPL) apologised for not having circulated a draft of GPG14 before Christmas. A draft had been prepared and some of the main changes had been the definition of the 2π efficiency for contamination calibrations and the addition of specific guidance for dual probes. A .pdf format was ready to be circulated and Pete requested that comments were returned as quickly as possible for prompt publication.
A discussion, following a statement from Mike Woods that the timescale for the revision had been too long, concluded that the Good Practice Guide should only be revalidated periodically and the next full review should take place when a major change in the legislation occurs.
35.7 Manufacture of electroplated sources
Chris Gilligan gave an interesting presentation on the source preparation capabilities and facilities at NPL. He described the manufacture of bespoke electrodeposited sources of 239Pu for use with the IonSens monitor for Eliot Williams (UKAEA).
View Chris Gilligan’s presentation here
35.8 Overview of the IonSens monitor
It had been planned that Eliot would describe the use of these 239Pu sources to demonstrate the suitable performance of the instrument for clearance monitoring of pipes that had carried Mox fuel. However, Eliot had been unable to attend the meeting so, Pete Burgess (formerly of UKAEA) gave an overview of the IonSens as he’d been involved in its development. The purpose of the sources had been to test the IonSens unit for possible use monitoring scrap from a Mox fuel production line which was being decommissioned. The Belgian regulator had set a very tight target of 0.04 Bq cm-2 over 300 cm2, (12 Bq in total) and it had been impossible to do this economically by probe. There was also a large amount to clear. The IonSens was attractive as large quantities (tens of kgs) of cleaned material could be monitored in a few minutes. Previous type testing had not worked to such a tight target. The sources were placed with the test scrap and the instrument response determined. The unit with the case open and a test load is pictured right.
35.9 Comparison of true and apparent activities on air filters
Julian Dean presented two new projects to be undertaken by NPL. The first was to focus on measurement of alpha-contaminated air filters to determine ratios of true to apparent activity. The second project was to measure the effects on monitor response of adsorption of activity into porous surfaces and attenuating layers over non-porous surfaces. Julian asked members to contact him with preferences of instruments and radionuclides to be included in the projects, filter types, surfaces and attenuating materials of interest. David Williams and Bill Croydon said that Magnox and Siemens respectively might be able to supply air filters.
View Julian Dean's presentation here
35.10 Production of calibration sources for beta in air monitors
Sean Collins (NPL) gave an interesting presentation on problems he had encountered when transferring a Surface Emission Rate calibration of 90Sr from a windowless proportional counter to a windowed proportional counter. Sources of the same apparent construction had yielded a range of calibration factors for the windowed counter. However, Sean had found that an appropriate factor could be derived from the source spectra collected.
View Sean Collins' presentation here
35.11 Problems with bets in air monitor test sources
It had been planned that Paul Blinco (JCI) would follow on from Sean's on to describe problems with beta in air monitor test sources and the associated consequences, but unfortunately, he was unable to attend the meeting. Therefore, Pete Burgess presented an overview of the issues on his behalf. The problem had been that the construction of a test source could have a major influence on its performance. Paul had determined the ratio of the indicated count rate to the NPL value of the surface emission rate and had found out that that ratio had a range of a factor of 2 when measured for a variety of constructions for the same nuclide and source diameter. This was due to the collimating effect of any thick cover over a beta source, which meant that more of the beta particles were emitted in the forward direction than should have been. This resulted in too high a proportion of the particles striking the detector of an activity in air monitor, giving too high an apparent efficiency. This was a long standing problem, identified by David Ryden in the mid 90s. An advice note had been issued on the subject but it was clear that some of the covered sources were still in use. The practical implication was that instruments calibrated with such sources would underestimate true activity on a filter card. The best solution was to replace the sources but an alternative was to use a real activity in air monitor as a transfer standard. The monitor should be calibrated with "good" sources, confirmed to be in specification and linear with emission rate, and then used to determine the effective emission rate from the poorer quality sources. These poorer quality sources could then be used to test other instruments of the same construction.
35.12 PID on/off phantom ratios
Karen Southall (HPA) gave a presentation concerning the calibration of Personal Integrating Dosemeters. She explained that in theory, dosemeters should be calibrated on phantom, but this was impractical when large numbers were to be tested, generally free in air. Karen had measured on/off Phantom ratios of a variety of instruments which could then be used to correct for the lack of backscatter from a phantom.
35.13 BSI/ISOIEC update
Tony Richards gave a presentation updating delegates on the standards being developed by the ISO Technical Committee 85 Working Group 17.
View Tony Richards' presentation here
35.14 Linearity and temperature characteristics of bubble detectors
Lawrence Jones presented the findings of an investigation into the use of bubble detectors that had shown sensitivity to gamma-rays. Measured sensitivities of the low sensitivity detectors were significantly higher than those provided by manufacturers. The measurements had been made in order to validate the detectors as a viable means for making neutron dose measurements in and around medical Linacs.
View Lawrence Jones’ presentation here
35.15 Any other business
- Keith Simmons informed the meeting that he had received permission from the authors to publish JSP425, the MOD's minimum calibration standard for radiation protection instrumentation: the next step was to obtain security branch clearance. The second part of the document provided calibration protocols for general instruments. It would be made clear that the protocols were appropriate for the MOD use of these instruments only, and so were not necessarily suitable elsewhere. Mike Woods said he would try to combine the calibration data from UKAS labs with those from JSP425 in order to make them available publicly.
- Pete Burgess told the members about a document he had been involved in writing about exit monitoring of personnel. The document was aimed at QPs and RPAs and included the methodology for choosing appropriate alarm levels. Pete was to visit a nuclear industry group shortly for a second review of the document and it was hoped that it might be published as an NPL Good Practice Guide in the future.
- Next IRMF meeting to be held on Wednesday, 26th November 2008.
Lawrence Jones

